Was Jesus in the Father’s Presence Before the Incarnation? John 8:38


Some Trinitarians cite John 8:38 and imagine that Jesus as a Son was actually seeing things with his Father before his birth in Bethlehem. Yet nothing in the text of John 8:38 even remotely suggests that Jesus saw things with his Father before his virgin birth.

Jesus said in John 8:38, “I speak what I have seen with my Father, and you do what you have seen with your father.”

Nothing in John 8:38 states that the Son was actually seeing things in the Father’s presence prior to his birth. If we look at the literal sentence structure in context, it would be just as easy to assume that the Pharisees saw things with their father the devil before their births.

The apostle Paul saw visions and revelations in the Lord without having to be in the Father’s presence before his birth. Paul saw things in the Father’s presence which were so clear that he was not certain if his spirit had left his body or not. Paul wrote that he saw a man “caught up to the third heaven.”

2 Corinthians 12:2-3 “I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a man was caught up to the third heaven. And I know how such a man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows - was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.”

Just as Paul saw and heard things in the Father’s presence in “the third heaven,” so the man Christ Jesus could have saw and heard things in the Father’s heavenly presence. Wherefore, the Son of God could have been in the Father’s presence while on the earth as a true man (a Son) in a similar way that Paul was in the Father’s presence (in 2 Corinthians 12:2-3) on the earth as a man without having to have been in heaven before is birth.

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