Edward Dalcour Misquotes Scripture To Support Trinity, John 17:5, Philippians 2:6, Response Part 5

At 36:22 - 36:33 into his video about “Oneness,” Dr Dalcour misquoted John 17:5 as “the glory which I SHARED with you” rather than “the glory which I HAD with you.”No reputable translation of John 17:5 ever reads, “the glory which I SHARED with you.”

 

John 17:5 reads (English Standard Version),

“And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.”

 

John 17:5 Berean Study Bible

“And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed.”

 

John 17:5 Berean Literal Bible

“And now glorify Me, You Father, with Yourself, with the glory that I had with You before the world existed.”

 

Even the Amplified Bible which gives all of the shades of meaning of the Greek text never translates the Greek text of John 17:5 as “shared.”

 

“Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory and majesty that I had with You before the world existed.”

 

If God meant “the glory which I SHARED with you” rather than “the glory which I HAD with you, then why do we not find the Greek verbs KOINONEO and METECHO in the Greek text of John 17:5? Christ Jesus as a true man (a true human son) “had” “glory” because it was given to him before the foundation of the world.

 

John 17:22 confirms that the same glory which was given to the Messiah was also given to God’s elect. “The glory which you have given me I have given them.”

 

What translation ever says, “the glory which I SHARED?” Here we can clearly see Dr Dalcour’s eisegesis of John 17:5. Dr Dalcour clearly departs from the true translation of the Greek text.

 

Jesus as a human son had predestined glory that was given to him before the world was created.

 

Daniel 7:14 shows that Jesus was given “dominion, GLORY, and a kingdom” over all the earth but that literal fulfilment will not come to pass until his second coming. God's elect were also given predestined glory. 2 Timothy 1:9 also says, “...his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,” Romans 8:30 states that God's predestined elect were already called, justified, and glorified before we were actually born. “And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also GLORIFIED.” (Rom. 8:30 NIV) 

 

Dr Edward Dalcour Misquoted Philippians 2:6

 

At 42:07 - 42:34 into Dr Dalcour’s video about “Oneness,” Dr Dalcour said, “Who although always subsisting in the nature of God or form of God did not consider equality with God a thing to be gasped. Did the Father not consider equality with God a thing to be grasped?”

 

I have not been able to find a reputable translation that says, “ALWAYS SUBSISTING in the nature of God.” Dr White made the same misquote in his debate with Roger Perkins by citing Philippians 2:6 as “Eternally existing in the form of God.”


English Standard Version
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,

Berean Study Bible
Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to cling to,

Berean Literal Bible
Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider to be equal with God something to be grasped,

New American Standard Bible
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

King James Bible
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage.

 

The Greek word for ALWAYS is the Greek adverb PANTOTE - Definition: “always, at all times, ever”

The Greek word for ETERNAL is the Greek adjective AIONIOS

 

If God meant “SHARED” in John 17:5 (as if Christ always shared glory with the Father), and if God meant "ALWAYS" or "Eternal" in Philippians 2:6 (as if Christ “always” or “eternally” existed in the form of God) then the inspired Greek text should have used these Greek words.

 

John 17:5 says, “…the glory which I HAD with you.”

 

Philippians 2:6 says, “who existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage.” (HCSB)

 

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